MINISTERIAL VISITING PROGRAM TRAINING CLASS

How the corporate church protected its ass over the good of the people…

Part I has been omitted for brevity, the remainder is presented unedited


HOW TO DEAL WITH HEALTH AND MEDICAL PROBLEMS

MINISTERIAL VISITING PROGRAM TRAINING CLASS
Sixteenth Class
April 27, 1969

II. HOW PROSECUTION BEGINS IN CASE OF DEATH

In order to act wisely in a case where a person dies, it is helpful to know how such cases come to be prosecuted. How does the District Attorney’s office even become acquainted with information? Such information can come to them through a complaint by anyone that knew a doctor was not called or medical aid refused, such as a neighbor who was previously told about the parents’ religious beliefs, a relative who happened to be visiting or from any other similar source. It may also come through more official channels, such as facts gleaned by police or fire officials called in as members of a respiratory squad. Also, if no doctor signs the death certifi-cate, generally speaking the Coroner’s Department will hold an inquest to determine the cause of death. This will most likely bring out the fact that no doctor was called. Such a fact would be a “red light” to the District Attorney.

Generally speaking, when these cases come before the District Attorney, he has the discretion as to whether or not he will prosecute. As this type of case is not so well known as the obvious type of crime such as murder or robbery, there is always the possibility that he might choose not to prose- cute. This is the type of circumstance where a “contact” is invaluable. The prosecutor might easily be persuaded by a friend to drop the matter so long as the newspapers have not made major news of it.

The fear along this line is that the case will fall into the hands of a newly-appointed Assistant District Attorney. Such men are customarily extremely zealous. They want to make a “name” for themselves.

III. SUGGESTIONS FOR AVOIDING PROSECUTION

The following suggestions, although by no means a guarantee, will definitely aid in avoiding prosecutions and notoriety in the event a death should ensue from other than natural means.

1. Don’t say anything:

This is the first and foremost rule in every criminal case. The importance of this one rule cannot be overemphasized.

Avoid telling anyone how long the person was sick. Avoid telling anyone that you knew the person was seriously ill. Avoid telling anyone when the illness first became serious. Don’t mention divine healing.

This general rule of not saying anything, like all others, has its qualifications. If a person would absolutely refuse to answer every
casual question of inquiry, it could result in a full-blown investigation. But is this so bad? Even if an investigation is held, if it can turn up no detrimental facts, there is no problem.

On the other hand, if the person does speak, and does give the right answer, you can perhaps ward off an investigation. But if you do speak and say the wrong thing, then your statements could be the very basis of a successful prosecution.

Remember, there is absolutely nothing that a State Official is going to be asking about that is going to be to your benefit. The only informa-tion he is going to be seeking, is not information to free you, but information to prosecute you. Always keep in mind that everything you say that is detrimental will be fed right back to you in court.

“The Church must come before individuals…”

In the initial investigation of the case, a little tact in refusing to answer these questions would be highly beneficial. To state, “I’m
not going to answer any questions; I don’t have to; I know my consti-tutional rights,” would obviously only serve to clash with the carnal mind. Some practical reasons should be thought of such as the parent merely saying. “Please, sir, I’m just in no mood to talk to anyone or answer any questions. Please just leave my wife and me alone.” If you are just a witness, there is no better way out than the old time- worn cliche, “Look, I just don’t want to get involved.”

Remember, if circumstances become pressing and time is needed, never forget the famous statement, “I’m sorry, but my attorney has instructed me never to say anything under circumstances like this until I’ve had a chance to talk to him first.”

2. If legal circumstances or wisdom demands that you answer, then be succinct and discreet.

Keep in mind that the officials don’t know everything you know, and the little they do know, they really don’t fully comprehend. Too often an investigator will just strike out blindly, acting as though he has all the facts, and the victim will just “spill the beans.”

If the investigator should know something about anointing with oil, there is no need to assume that he knows that the practice of medicine is held in disrepute. It might be good to draw an analogy to the Catholic Church, and the fact that, “We, as they, anoint with oil.”

When one minister at the scene of a death was abruptly asked by an investigating officer, “Who are you?” he simply replied, “A friend.”
No further questions were asked.

If you are known to be a minister, and asked why you are there, a general answer that might suffice would be: “I just came to perform my general ministerial duties of offering spiritual encouragement and as a family friend.”

Do not mention faith healing under any circumstances. It cannot be introduced during the trial as a defense. It will only serve to raise
antagonisms at the time of the inquiry and make the whole case newspaper- worthy. It can always be brought up later if it is to the person’s advantage.

Deny any knowledge that the ailment was serious. Or if this cannot be done) then: (a) Place the time when the seriousness first became
apparent as close to the time of death as possible. (b) Take the shortest period of time possible for the length of the illness. (c) If the question of a doctor should arise, it might be met with, “If I had any idea that she was that sick and that a doctor could have healed her, I certainly would have called him immediately.”

3. Befriend a doctor with at least an affinity for our religious beliefs.

The calling of a doctor, during the last stages of a very serious illness, could work for good or for evil from the legal point of view. On the one hand, if he were called in soon enough to ascertain the cause of death, and was of a friendly attitude, he might sign the death certifi-cate and thereby avoid any Coroner’s inquest.

On the other hand, a doctor might recommend some course of medicalĀ treatment that he feels would absolutely save the person’s life, butĀ which we would consider absolutely inimical to God’s laws.
If the person died, then the doctor would be a powerful witness for the
prosecution not only to prove gross neglect but proximate cause as well.

Also, unless the doctor held an affinity for our religious beliefs, he could contact the District Attorney if the patient was a minor and
request that a court-appointed guardian be named. The court could then take custody of the child, and the guardian consent to such a course of medical treatment.

The worthwhile physical knowledge that a doctor does have to offer should be taken into consideration and, depending upon the circumstances, weigh heavily in favor of consulting or calling one in.

4. When rejecting medical service on drugs, predicate the refusal on the grounds of risk or potential adverse results.

One of the most practical and valuable ways of rejecting certain medical services or drugs is to base the objection on the grounds of risk. A procedure might be to ask a doctor: “What are the chances of the operation being a failure? What are the chances of it being useless? What are the chances of it being harmful? What are the chances the drug will have an adverse reaction?” etc.

If the doctor should remark the odds are 70 to 30 in favor of success or lack of any adverse reaction, the patient or parent can meditatively contemplate the answer. He could then state, “I just don’t feel I should take the chance. It just seems it would be better off to do whatever else we could and then let nature take its course.”

If the matter is serious enough and the particular doctor sees no possibility of adverse effect but only 100 percent success, then the
patient or parent can merely state they would like to obtain further consultation and advice on the subject. It is almost always possible
to find other medical advice which would take a contrary position. It can be contended then that the adverse consultation was relied upon.

5. Keep knowledge of illness restricted to as few people as possible.

During the steps when an illness becomes serious, keep as many people out of the house as possible. Do not tell outsiders about the serious-ness of an illness or your belief in divine healing. The more people that have knowledge of the subject, or are present during the final stages, the more potential adverse witnesses you have. Only one antag-onistic person, with a sufficient amount of first-hand knowledge, can furnish enough testimony upon which to pass a successful prosecution.

It should also be considered that when a Fire Department respiratory squad is called it is generally customary that the police are also
notified. This, of course, should not in any way deter the calling of such help if it appears they might save such a life. However, a
private ambulance service which maintains oxygen and respiratory equipment might be kept on file, and utilized when needed, rather than
the public services.

6. Do not attend an informal, requested hearing at the District Attorney’s office, unless unusual circumstances dictate otherwise.

A strong general rule is that a parent should never go to the office of the District Attorney to discuss such a case. If circumstances
should for some reason require him to attend, then under no circumstances should he go without an attorney.

Another fact is very important. In one case the prosecutor admitted that he could never have tried the case without the statements given
by the mother. After the child had died, she stopped in his office, at his request, and told him everything about the case She even signed a statement to that effect. She also made statements to certain officials in the Coroner’s office. They proved certain facts that he could not have proven otherwise.

 

7. Don’t involve the Church.

Beware of advising people and involving the Church. People are free moral agents and must make their own decisions. They must learn to
stand on their own feet.

“Help people” for the reason of ‘protecting’ the church?

The Church must come before individuals. Don’t make the Church re-sponsible for lawsuits. Help people in order to protect the Church, but let people help themselves where possible. Don’t try to live their lives for them. Don’t obligate the Church.

 

 

Don’t be hostile toward doctors and hospitals. When brought into contact with medical men, be friendly, but firm. Be careful not to mention the Bible, religion, or the Church of God.

IV. WHAT TO DO IN CASE OF AN UNTIMELY DEATH

When there is an untimely death in the Church with overtones of divine healing having been relied upon, prompt action is necessary in order to avoid prose-cution and bad publicity. Therefore, here is the procedure to follow:

1. In the event of an untimely death of any member or prospective member or one of their children, and it is under any circumstances other than that which would be considered absolutely normal in the world’s eyes (i.e., in the hospital, a doctor in general attendance with basically full medical aid being given, etc.), the local minister should immediately contact Headquarters by telephone and notify us of the circumstances which would include the names and telephone numbers of all persons either directly involved or witnesses.

2. After receiving this information, either Mr. Rader or Mr. Helge can consult with the local minister by telephone and ascertain if there is potential criminal liability or bad publicity for the Church member, the minister or the Church. If so, one of them may need to fly to the area and personally question and counsel parties involved.

V. PREVENTION IS THE BEST CURE

Remember to instruct the Church members ahead of time on the principles of health and measures to prevent serious illness. Increasingly, we need to drill them on this type of general health and diet information so that they can decide what to do in case of sickness without the minister constantly having to “suggest” nearly every step they take. Teach them to truly GLORIFY God in their bodies. This is part of the direct Gospel commission.

Also, teach them the truth about deep, living FAITH in God so they WILL automatically trust Him when a crisis comes. Then, again, the minister won’t have to be constantly “suggesting” or encouraging measures of faith at a time when, legally, they ought to be deciding on their own without the Church having to be directly involved. We cannot “legislate” the degree of faith for people to exercise in a crisis — or any other time.

Do build that real understanding and faith ahead of time. Definitely have special sermons and Bible Studies on health, diet, disease and on how to TRUST in GOD for healing – – and WITHOUT getting the Church involved in legal disputes! Then, if legal problems arise — and far fewer should this way — follow the course outlined above and instruct all the members in this ahead of time, as well.


 

9 Replies to “MINISTERIAL VISITING PROGRAM TRAINING CLASS”

  1. They wanted to be able to tell all the members what to do without being held accountable for the results.

    It was not only in medical matters that this was done. The same blueprint was used for selective service situations, and corporal punishment of children.

    Kind of like the old “Mission Impossible” self-destructing tape: “Should you or any members of your team get caught, the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.”

    BB

  2. There is also a well-known principle that in order to successfully defend yourself against a collective (Federal Government, Police Department, major company, etc), you need the backing or help of a collective. So, in the case of the Worldwide Church of God, the only collective which members were allowed to have anything to do with, our collective refused to be a collective in any sort of defense role. They functioned for sure as a collective against us in so many ways, but bowed out of defending us or being our sanctuary. They called themselves “God’s Church”, and told us that God was our defender (so long as we obeyed the ministers), but then refused to imitate God in that way, and failed to trust Him for their defense if they defended us. Boy, what a mouthful, and an indictment! What kind of mixed message was that supposed to send???

    BB

  3. You’re right. And against the little guy. If you find yourself up against one and helpless, you can either eat it or find a benign one to use against the abusive one.

    BB

  4. None of this advice is necessary for those ministers who are not anti-science/anti-medicine. Unfortunately, this Dark Ages mentality still exists in the ministry and the membership of many Armstrongite groups.
    ā€”Wes White

  5. My DAD is not a killer he was under cover for both Germany and the U.S.A the reason he shot up the Orthodox Church was because the members were all part of a Buddhist Cult who were Mass Murderers and were actually planning to Murder the President GEORGE W. BUSH and almost would have intended if it was not because of my DAD and yes he had ADHD and was also bipolar. My DADS mother SHIRLEY RATZMANN who was also my Grandma, my DADS father JOHN RATZMANN who also was my Grandpa, and his wife DEBORAH MELK who also was my Mom

    1. You really should try to explain your reply to the post “MINISTERIAL VISITING PROGRAM TRAINING CLASS”

      So your saying Terry was your dad and worked for the CIA, killed seven members of the LCD, including a kid, because these people were part of a Buddhist cult who were planning to off old man Bush??

      Yes, please try…

      On edit: The LCG is not a “Orthodox Church” by any stretch of imagination.

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