Mark Manning
California
February, 2011
New note added 2/26/11
In the event someone I know from my early years, maybe an AC friend, happens to go back to read my posts here, I wanted to say a cheerful “Hello” and encourage you to make contact, if my entries here are not too upsetting. I’m also on facebook, so go there if you prefer.
Now the original post:
Prior to my comments, I want to encourage folks to watch the video James  placed on the PT Home page: Karen Armstrong’s Golden Rule message.
She is NOT a part of “Armstrongism” but a British scholar and religion historian.
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A respected friend from my college days at AC, Big Sandy, recently gave me some sage advice: âIf I were you, I would just forget all this drama and keep moving forward.â Of course, I am inclined that way and will certainly continue moving forward after a brief detour into the HWA,WCG blogosphere. My friend pointed out that my life has been good since I left all the CoG business behind, and I agree. However, as a humanist, I cannot refuse to at least try to be of help to my fellow humans. Perhaps other lives could improve.
It is quite possible that I do not belong on this blog. Then again, after much recent reading here and on other fall-out blogs, I see that my words might be of value to a few. I am both shocked and fascinated as I scan so many websites devoted to the Armstrong phenomenon. Scanning is about all I can do to cover only a small part of probably millions of words on the subject adrift in the ether. So quite naturally, I will add more! However, noted blogger Greta Christina advises to keep it brief; I will do so.
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In 1963, the Radio Church of God became my entire world. (That moment âa light went on in my head,â as described by Donal from Ireland in his recent letter to the editor, happened for me at eighteen and fresh out of high school. I gave my youthful best years to âthe work.â) This past fact is what today links me to others reading and writing here. When I was approached by the PT editor who wondered whether I might make a contribution, I simply replied that having suffered virtually not at all after my departure from all WCG contact, I may not be helpful in any way to this readership. But I will offer what I can.
My maiden name (!) was Salyer. So when I say âdeparture from all WCG contact,â I mean contact with a church group. My relationship with my brother Larry has, over the long haul, not suffered fatally from the complete severing of our âspiritual bonds.â Our worldviews are now worlds apart, but we maintain personal contact and we respect each other as individuals with individual rights and interests.
About the name change â as I told James, I have never been in hiding! My name was not changed to protect the guilty, it was simply a name not conducive to inter-action with the world at large. Within the confines of that small organization in which Larry and I had become known, I never ran into anyone who couldnât spell or pronounce my last name. Immediately following my exit from the WCG, I was amazed to find that the name presented a challenge to many people I met. The first time âSalyerâ was printed in a program for a play in which I appeared, it was spelled âSlayer.â Not helpful to someone hoping to become known on stage or in television and film! So I chose âManningâ as a comfortable stage name to go along with Mark, which Iâve always liked as my given name. After it became clear in the early 1980s that I would have a career in the acting profession, I made the new name legal. Thatâs it. Iâve even clarified this on my facebook profile.
[Note: I didnât glom on to a famous name! There was no hint in 1979 of the fame the two Manning quarterbacks would bring to the name later. Their father, Archie, had also been an NFL quarterback prior to this, but he played for the hapless Saints who blossomed much later.]
Following four years at AC in Texas (1964-68), I was sent to Amarillo, TX as a ministerial assistant and some months later ordained as an elder. Ordination to âpreaching elderâ in 1971 made it possible for me to be sent to âraise upâ a new congregation in Wichita Falls, TX in 1972, taking over also the responsibility for Abilene, TX and a bible study group in Lawton, Oklahoma. Fort Worth, TX and Chicago (south) were to be my later assignments.
After more than twelve years of devotion and service in the WCG, I resigned my pastorate and made my personal declaration of independence on our nationâs bicentennial day, Saturday, July 4, 1976. I recall the specific details because I gave the sermon that day and then revealed to the congregation that it was, by choice, my last day as their pastor. My departure then was with honor; I had no gripes to air and took no one else with me. Indeed, I wanted no part in guiding anyone; thatâs why I left! I was to be, in Ron Dartâs words, a âlay minister,â invited to speak here and there when practical â was even asked to lead songs at that fallâs FoT. But I declined invitations and stopped attending any services because I was simply not interested any longer in religion.
I mention the above details because it has likely been assumed I was part of, or even one of the instigators of, the âfalling awayâ that took place in the mid 1970s. Not so, and the point is of no major consequence. However, I need to say here that in slogging through the blogs during the final week of 2010, I was surprised to read that an estimated 70 ministers and 11,000 members left WCG in 1974. I was not aware the numbers were anywhere close to that reported.
Interestingly, I never pursued more information at the time even though it was in 1974 that my brother Larry and I were told to stow our small children somewhere and take our wives with us to work for an unspecified time in Washington D.C. Ours was ânot to reason whyâŚâ We were taken to a kind of âmission control officeâ and settled into rooms in a hotel where Wayne Cole and Dean Blackwell were ensconced. From there we traveled to services, meetings, bible studies, homes â wherever we were directed, and ârescued lambsâ left astray by some renegade ministers. We stayed in the D.C. region for perhaps four weeks.
My wife and I were sent into Richmond, VA and Buffalo, NY, to name two cities I recall from the speaking schedule. Quite frankly, I knew little of any similar happenings in other areas of the country. Until now, I was never aware that more than four or five ministers had left and I thought our little team had heroically âsavedâ the flock! [You cannot imagine how surreal all this sounds to my own ears as I read it back now!] My wife and I were allowed to return to Ft. Worth for the time being but asked to consider Richmond as a new pastorate. Somehow I found the guts to decline then, but within a year, the headquarters team decided (without asking this time) that I would be moved to Chicago (south) in 1975.
By spring of 1976 I had lost interest in riding a train to nowhere and resigned in July.
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The âshockâ I mentioned in the opening has to do with my thirty-five years of total and peaceful disinterest, jarred by this recent introduction to so much written material available on what I considered a tiny and minimal-impact sliver of the worldâs religion pie. And I had tossed out the whole pie as unfit-for-human-consumption! Many of you who are contributing to this body of commentary have obviously not walked away unscathed as easily as I did, and I am sorry to see that a website about pain is needed. I am also sorry to have been unaware of a possible chance to help anyone who might find in my chosen world sans religion a way to move forward painlessly. One post-Armstrong blog comment I noticed said, âWelcome to the asylum.â Iâd prefer to welcome folks out of it! Maybe you too can find a way to douse that counter-productive, blinding light in your head and wake up to the real light outside â the light of a brand new day in a far bigger world.
Since I very well may be a bore to your blog, I am wrapping this up now with the offer to contribute more if itâs desired. Seeing the way Dick Armstrongâs writing was received/not received, I simply donât care to insert myself into some ongoing discussion where my views on life would not be productive. Much can be said from my vantage point and much of it might be considered outrageous. However, there is a chance a few of my thoughts could be of help to someone, so I make myself available to write more if and when requested to do so.
Respectfully submitted,
Mark [Salyer] Manning
Very interesting, Mark. I think your unique experience will be very valuable as a contribution to this blog. I personally encourage you to continue on.
Most of us hadn’t yet come to the place you came to before you resigned. For me, that evolved over time and we are pretty much of the same mindset now, as you know from our emails and conversations.
Well, I remember your name being called a lot during mail call at SEP in Texas, but never knew what had become of you. Larry’s name has been very prominent in a lot of the ACOG related news events and discussions.
Anyhoo, welcome aboard. I am certain that your insights will be valuable here, but we expatriates seem to have adapted the traditional Jewish custom of having many viewpoints, and feeling free to argue them. This makes everything feel hostile, but most of us would rescue one another if we saw each other drowning.
I never quite figured out the hostility to Dick Armstrong. We did have some notably rabid ones running amuck and attacking pretty much anyone who had not found the same solutions as they themselves have, but James has neutralized that group. Pleasant and honest discussion is more possible today than it was when Dick surfaced. We haven’t seen any dogpilings recently. So, in a play on words, “Write on”. I’m sure I speak for all of us when I say we look forward to your contributions!
BB
Bob,
I unblocked one of them for commenting. I don’t expect to see any abusive behavior from this guy.
Thanks, Gentlemen.
I never thought I would be attacked in any way; just wasn’t sure anyone cared to hear from me with my “sans religion” stance. Having to prepare well in advance to do any writing worth reading, I have already prepared for next week’s post. Following that one, we shall see how it goes.
Bob, I wonder who was interested in calling my name at the Texas SEP. The only summer program I ever visited was at Orr in 1967 when I was working in the Twin Cities as an assistant (trainee) before my senior year at AC.
At any rate, Al & BB, I appreciate your kind words.
MM
Thanks Mark for posting today!
I hope that many of our fellow travelers that have experienced the horrors of Armstrong-ism will also find rest as they learn of others who have gone through the same mill, that they have.
In the end, this is the purpose of all the anti-armstrong web-sites and blogs. Together we shall ensure that all can survive and emerge triumphant out of the chaos and destruction.
No longer shall the poisonous petals of narcissism and deceit that are blooming all around us in the form of pro-armstrong-ism websites continue unabated. Our past cannot be changed. All of us must cope with the present if we hope to affect our future and free others from the fetters of Armstrong’s poisonous embrace.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InaPGWgAlEc
Mark,
Looks like I goofed. I thought a bit more about this, and do remember Larry’s name being called at mail call, but now I’m thinking the other Salyer was Ron. Does that ring a bell? I was in Tejas for the first two sessions of SEP, and in Orr I believe in 1965. Sorry for the confusion!
BB
Ah, yes – I didn’t even recall there were SEP activities in Big Sandy prior to the campus opening in ’64. And perhaps it was my younger brother Ron, born in ’48, who attended the program when you were there. I always thought he had successfully avoided our mom’s push to attend church activities, but he was probably caught in that position of being too young to refuse then. He certainly did not advance to membership or ever get involved in any other way that I know of. Bright boy!
MM