GTA remarked about having a baby boy circumcised on the 8th day when that day would be on a Sabbath. He joked about only getting a baby circumcised âfor health reasonsâ and the 8th day was no different than any other day. He added âsacrifice a dove while youâre at it.â (Actually, a dove is part of the offering that follows the motherâs purification period.) So here is another case where the COG strict obedience to scripture should be flagged with âconditions apply.â
HWA stated in âMissing Dimension in Sexâ the circumcision command was âforeverâ, however, it was originally âphysicalâ but now itâs âspiritualâ. But he insisted if circumcision is done, it must be done as instructed, on the 8th day. According to the Talmud, itâs okay if the 8th day is a Sabbath, though health-related issues permit a different day.
The COGs go with the mainstream assumption that the decision of the Apostles in Acts 15 and the teaching of Paul did away with the command to circumcise boys on the 8th day. (Lev. 12:3, codifying Gen. 17Â) The common argument is physical versus spiritual (and that is another story) and proof-texts such as Rom. 2:28-29 (right answer, wrong question.)
The origin of this problem is with the conversion of Gentiles. Adult, uncircumcised, male Gentiles became Christians. There is no requirement for them to become circumcised. So why was an Apostolic ruling necessary? What does this have to do with the command to circumcise baby boys?
Nothing. It was about ritual conversion to Judaism.
In the Second Temple period, particularly after Greek occupation of Judah, Jews had to deal with âthe Gentile Problemâ. Some Gentiles had an interest in the Jewish religion, and this posed a problem. In the 1st Century BCE, the Jewish sage Shammai came up with a process of ritual conversion to Judaism, the â18 Measuresâ, or, colloquially, âcircumcisionâ. Acts 2 mentions âproselytesâ or âconverts to Judaismâ â Gentiles who went through ritual conversion, including circumcision, and became âborn again Jewsâ.
The Gentiles that Paul dealt with were mostly interested in Judaism (they were at the Synagogues) but had not gone through ritual conversion. The âcircumcision partyâ or âJudaisersâ insisted that for a Gentile to convert to âChristianityâ (here the word is an anachronism) they must also undergo ritual conversion to Judaism (also an anachronism), âcircumcisionâ.
So, the Acts 15 ruling on âcircumcisionâ was that a Gentile can become a âChristianâ without ritual conversion to âJudaismâ. The letter the Apostles wrote and comments about Moses are another story. Adult males donât need to be circumcised is the issue here. It had nothing to do with the command to circumcise baby boys. If Rom. 2:28-29 is read in context, it can be seen to refer to circumcision as part of ritual conversion.
An RCG writer, COGWriter, and others recognize that circumcision of
adult male converts was not required. So how did we get the idea that the Apostles abolished the command for circumcision on the 8th day? Possibly from the Greeks, who considered the ritual as barbaric and disfigurement; during their occupation of Israel, to âfit inâ some Jews would undergo surgery to âreverseâ their circumcision.
And misinformation is always abounds. In Acts 21, there was some concern in Jerusalem when Paul was accused of teaching Jews living among Gentiles not to circumcise their sons, and to abandon the law and tradition. So, in an effort to show the accusations false, Paul was asked to take part in Nazarite vows, which he did â he was still a âTemple Jewâ.
The COG position is a bet each way: they assume 8th day circumcision not required, but itâs good for health reasons. Then there is a lapse into âphysicalâ versus âspiritualâ (a Platonic argument) and âbaptism now replaces circumcisionâ (which is not supported by scripture). By the way, when Paul wrote âcircumcise your heartâ he may have been recalling that phrase from Leviticus or Deuteronomy.
COGWriter again, âwe in the COGs normally do circumcise our sonsâ. Good, as traditionally, it is the fatherâs responsibility to do it! This makes me think of the âcircumcision partyâ, Davidâs bag of Philistine foreskins, and âShaky the mohelâ from an episode of Seinfeld.
Now why didnât HWA figure out this mistake? One reason could be that it wasnât ârevealledâ to him â Rupert and others may not have mentioned it. But there was a reason to go with the mainstream flow â it looks like the Apostles were allowed to change things, And one thing he changed was tithing â from Agriculture to any form of income.
As for GTAâs ridiculing circumcision: anyone out there know if he was snipped? (Sorry, my copy of the videotape was censored.)
Yes, he was.
Thanks.
The way he spoke I felt he wasn’t in favor of it. Of course at 8 days old one has little choice.
This mix and match, pick and choose out of Scripture is a lot like dividing by zero: The results are undefined and in fact often yield really silly results.
Dividing by zero… you’d better ask Dave Pack. He justifies tithing by “God’s math”, where if you subtract 10% you end up with more than you started with. Sounds like Jethro Bodine.
While we’re on this topic, does anyone know what the Islamic faith uses as a basis for their practice of female circumcision?
Is this something found in the Koran? Was it from the teachings of Mohammed, or based on a Muslim equivalent of the Talmud?
BB
Female circumcision is not from the Islamic faith but is a much older tradition from Africa. It is not found in the “Koran” and is not a teaching of Mohammed. It is a practice not accepted by the majority of Muslims.
Regarding female circumcision, it my understanding it is not actually an Islamic custom, but a pre-Islamic custom that continued to be perpetuated after various peoples converted to Islam.
No one knows who started it. It is simply an ancient custom the origins of which have been lost to the mists of history.