Passover: The Feast of Pack and the Last Seder


The Feast of Pack and the Last Seder

Once again we have been reminded the Passover is not on Nisan 15, the Crucifixion was not on Friday, the Resurrection was not on Sunday, Easter is Pagan, and so on. And Dave Pack claimed several times to have proved through genealogical research that his surname is derived from the word Passover.

English has a problem in that the word Easter is used for the “Sunday Passover” whereas in the “romance languages” the words are similar: in French, for example, Easter is Paques and Passover is Paque; in Spanish, both are Pascua. So if Dave’s ancestry was French, Spanish, or Italian, Pack may be an Anglicized form of Passover. Or Easter. If it was English or German, the etymology is different.

That ties in with Passover, because Dave mentioned in a sermon that the “fifth cup” in the Passover Seder is for Elijah, and he “proved” he is Elijah. And he thinks calling himself Elijah and ‘Pack’ being derived from Passover will impress the Jews when he goes to preach to the cities of Israel (here he means Eretz Israel, not BI.)

Back in December 2014, Bob Thiel posted portions of a Good News article by Dr Hoeh. The excerpt is an attempt to show that the 10 Commandments are valid, but laws related to the Temple Korban, aka “sacrifices” are out. It concludes with comments of dealing with the Last Supper (the Last Passover Seder). Here HH tells us that Jesus substituted unleavened bread and wine for the Passover lamb, and this was absolute proof that offerings were done away. Maybe Paul forgot that when he made a Nazarite vow to show he hadn’t gone native with the Gentiles.

The traditional Passover Seder involved the Passover Lamb (until the Temple was destroyed) with bitter herbs, unleavened bread, and five cups of wine. The wine and bread Dr Hoeh mentioned was almost certainly the fourth cup, which, he failed to notice would then be ‘fulfilled’. The ‘unfulfilled’ fifth cup is for Elijah.

There were two remarks ministers would make before Passover: “If in doubt, out!” and “It’s not the Feast of Unleavened Beer!” Checking Jewish kashrut guidelines, some differences in the WCG and the ‘Kosher for Passover’ lists are apparent. While WCG may have been close to correct with what “bread” was, they didn’t have the cultural and contextual understanding of “leaven” right. Beer that was made from fermented grain should have been on the WCG “out” list, and the chemical compound Sodium bicarbonate on the “in” list. However, the slogan “If in doubt, out!” is a good guideline to follow in assessing what a COG minister tells you.

False Foundation


From my years of building bunkhouses, cookhouses, and outhouses, I say a building is no better than its foundation. If the lay of the foundation isn’t good, the building won’t be good.

And I could ramble on for hours about it, and how it applies to organizations, but I remember there’s a hymn we sing at church that makes that point. Now I don’t sing as good as pa, but here goes:

“The Church Has One Foundation”

Original lyrics by Samuel John Stone, music by Samuel Sebastian Wesley

The splinters’ false foundation

Is Herbert Dubya’s word,

With all his pilfered doctrines,

From painful to absurd!

He said that God revealed them,

And showed him from on high,

But if you search this website,

You’ll see that’s just a lie!

Back to one false foundation

It will never ever be

They’ll never be united:

COG leaders can’t agree.

With natural attrition

As members all grow old

There will be no fruition

And one by one they’ll fold!

HWA: 29 years and still dead


On this occasion, I would like to quote from my book, 2015 and the demise of the scattered splinters:

“… January 16 … COGWriter will likely honor HWA’s death with an article, which will probably feature a photo of HWA sporting his Order of the Sacred Treasure, Second Class. … and I repeat my warning, using that photo is not a good idea… pathetic ramifications… maligning with my statement… July 31 … COGWriter will likely write an article intimating we in the CCOG don’t celebrate birthdays but HWA is an exception … accompanied by the photo …”

Well, you get the picture. Yes, I did once try to help Bob by mentioning a few tweaks he could make to his website. Not using that photo of HWA was one of them.

Of all the stock photos of HWA, I have no idea what thoughts seeing the Sacred Treasure would bring to the mind of the avid reader. It should be the same reaction if Ford Motor Company honored its founder with a photo of Henry with his Grand Cross of the Supreme Order of the German Eagle, which he was awarded in 1938. After all, Emperor Hirohito was considered a war criminal, protected from prosecution by General MacArthur for political expediency.* There is still animosity toward Japan by Asian countries that suffered from their wartime invasion and occupation. The photo would certainly not be received positively.

Further, the Order of the Sacred Treasure carries pagan symbolism. The Sacred Treasure – Sacred to what? The Shinto religion.

The insignia of the order incorporates symbols for the three imperial treasures: the Yata Mirror, so sacred that not even the Emperor is allowed to look at it; the Yasakani Jewel, which is made of the finest jade; and the Emperor’s personal Sword.

Wikipedia, Order of the Sacred Treasure

So you can stamp the Sacred Treasure as pagan, along with Christmas trees and Easter eggs. Don’t we get enough reminding each year that Christmas is pagan?

As I mentioned, there are lots of stock photos of HWA. How about the one with HWA showing his beloved Star of David cufflinks? Oh, yes, Bob wrote that the Star of David had pagan origins…

* Trivia: A protégé of MacArthur, General Bonner Fellers, portrayed in the film Emperor (2012), also received the Order of the Sacred Treasure, Second Class, and, like HWA, had a Quaker background.




Forty and still counting…

There are a few moments in history I can still remember vividly – the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy assassination, landing on the moon … and Pentecost 1974.

On the Sabbath before the first WCG Sunday Pentecost, we listened to a tape from Pasadena with “new truth” regarding D&R (Divorce and Remarriage) and the correct day for Pentecost. I remember GTA went over D&R, including some glaring problems he saw in hindsight with the old doctrine. After the tape was played, one local minister actually said he had some apologies to make to some people he had counseled years ago…

Then HWA explained how something had been brought to his attention regarding Pentecost. He said he contacted a Hebrew teacher about “counting from” and found his “common sense” counting of Pentecost was … well, not exactly correct. So, of course, he immediately fixed the problem, and the day changed from Monday to Sunday. “Immediately” fixed, amidst claims that for possibly ten years this issue had been a hot potato.

About a week before June 8, Bob Thiel posted the Pentecost section from HWA’s Holy Days booklet. (Does PCG hold copyright on this? If Flurry sues, just claim “fair use”.) Feeling it was time to put together a posting, I wrote a few paragraphs about the errors and assumptions HWA made in the article. Following a few days of procrastination, I noticed Bob’s June 8 Pentecost posting, and realized I wasted my time. Taking HWA’s theological framework, and expounding in more convoluted detail, I felt Bob, inadvertently perhaps, made it worse, and there was no point in trying to unscramble it.

For brevity, I’ll just say the claim that Pentecost is “the birthday of the Church” is just part of the “one true church” myth. Protestants see Acts as a “transitional” book, showing how Christianity evolved. COGs view snippets of the story in great detail while glossing over other parts – what is useful from the old system is transferred to “the Church” and the rest is tossed. But, even after the Acts 15 “conference”, Paul is still taking part in Temple worship, including a Nazarite vow, which involves animal offerings. Didn’t he read the book of Hebrews? Just joking of course; books like Hebrews and Galatians are great resources for “proof texts”.

Jews consider Shavuot (Pentecost) the day Moses received the Ten Commandments on Mt Sinai. Tradition holds that on that day a voice came from Mt Sinai that was heard in “Seventy Languages” – considered the languages of all the nations. So, the “speaking in tongues” could have been viewed the same way – Peter’s zealous quoting of end-time prophecy may have been because he thought the word had gone to all nations. Not the same as hits on websites that are mostly in English.