Disappointment, Part IV: Delusions

In the late 1960s, I often went up to the city on the weekends to stay with my brother at his boarding house. He had grown up during a paranoid era of the cold war and was always seeking an avenging hero which could show that the majority was wrong and, more importantly, empower him with the promise that some day he could be in charge to right the evils of the world. He wasn’t exactly a religious hobbyist, but he was definitely seeking — not a higher power — but someone or something with superior power. As some of you know, he finally found and settled in on Armstrongism and eventually it killed him: In pain, alone, in fear, abandoned, betrayed.

After his death, people from the WCG came by his apartment as my mother was wrapping up his affairs. You might think that they came to express their condolences and relate how Bruce improved their lives. If you thought that, you would be wrong. They came by and wanted his stuff: His precious stones he polished himself, his telescope, his cameras he built himself, his electronic gear. It was like they had some sort of entitlement. Later, two church boys, who had joined the military, had the gall to come by our folk’s home to stay over on the way to the Feast. My folks put them up and fed them because they claimed to know Bruce. My mother showed me the letter from Haffely, the minister, who admitted that Bruce had called him for help when he was having the heart attack, but the minister just advised him to go to the hospital emergency room. My brother’s trusting delusion that the church would take care of him when he was in trouble killed him.

It didn’t end with his death. My mother received a letter from Pasadena after Bruce’s death from the massive cardiac infarction. The good folks at Pasadena were certain that my brother had left them absolutely everything in his will: Tens of thousands of dollars, and they wanted it. They demanded that my folks produce his will they were certain my mother was hiding, because everything of his was theirs now. Of course, they had no rights at all to his small fortune built up from his industriousness, conservatism and use of his technological skills, but they were certain our family was hiding something that would prove that their selfish arrogant avarice was well founded. They took advantage of his generosity in life and were determined to take everything that was left after his death. My mother showed me the letter. It was really pretty nasty and vile. I have concluded that though my brother may have been delusional, but the scoundrels at Pasadena always knew precisely what they were. It occurs that the Churches of God have declared war on my family nearly 50 years ago and I’m just now waking up to the fact that they are still at war with us. Interesting.

There had been incidents long before this. Bruce was kind and generous. As a bachelor, he prepared dinner every Sabbath for different people in the church. He did his best to “serve” at church functions. He gave a lot of extra money to the church as he had occasion. For awhile, my brother was prosperous. He lost his job. He had a large apartment with several bedrooms. A man in the church moved in with his wife and children and mooched off of my brother for several months without providing one thing in return, ever. The man didn’t have a job and Bruce ended up supporting the whole family — a family which was not related to him. He was of the delusion that the church WAS his family.  He couldn’t get rid of them. When things got really bad and he was running out of money, he asked a deacon in the WCG for help. The deacon laughed at him to his face. Remember that this was after my brother had spent a year at Ambassador College. He got into the college by giving and loaning a considerable amount of money to the church. It turns out that Herbert Armstrong was impressed by men of power and / or money. If you had enough money, you could buy yourself into nearly anything in the WCG. I can guarantee that my brother would never have gotten into Ambassador College without his giving them tens of thousands of dollars, back in the early 1960s.

While I was a still a teen and before my brother entered into the RCG / WCG environment, those weekends with my brother were most illuminating. One Sunday, I was going to catch the Grayhound home and my brother’s landlady — a true believer and relgious hobbiest — asked me if I’d be interested in a talk some religious leader was giving in a room at the Davenport Hotel. I said, OK. What can I say, I was 17.

Here was this hefty but short 40 something professor-looking dude with a beard and glasses. As he gave his talk to about 20 or so people, it got stranger and stranger. He told us the world was hollow and people lived inside the mantle of the earth. They had flying saucers which flew out of the North Pole. His “proof” was colorful: “I can prove it,” he said. He protested that people [read that scientists] taught that the earth had a molten core. I remember his colorful demonstration: “Build a fire and put a wooden box over it,” he said; “What happens? The fire burns through the box! This proves the earth does not have a molten core — it is hollow! People live inside!”.

I had a background in science. At the age of 13, I built my own 24 volt regulated DC power supply. With relays I found in the city dump from the AT&T Radar relay TV station, I designed and soldered together a binary counter, replete with a panel of flashing lights. I read the book, Earth, Wind and Fire, to learn about how the earth was formed 4 billion years ago. I performed my own electronic and endless chemical experiments. I used home made hydrogen to fill lighter than air balloons [the part about tying thread to them, spooling the balloon up to the ceiling, lighting the thread and making the balloon go POOF! I will leave out!]. Anyway, here I was — my first real delusional cult leader confronting me.

After his presentation, he singled me out and stood between me and the door: “What did you think of my talk,” he said? I was a naive country farm boy with a penchant for science experimentation. I had found the arc light at school and put it together with the projection microscope for the first time in seven years when my other brothers last did it. My dad taught me welding at the Lincoln County Shop where he was foreman. I fixed the pendulum clock for grandmother. And here I was. And here he was. I thought of the volcanoes which blew up and which, incidentally, proved that the earth had a molten core. But this was an authority figure. What to do? What to do?

“It was interesting,” I said, and left, caught the bus and went home.

How, you might ask, is this relevant to Armstrongism? Well, you should take a look at Ralph Orr’s article over at:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071217130140/http://www.wcg.org/lit/prophecy/anglo/howanglo.htm 

It is a wonderland of British Israelism, related false prophecies and Pyramidology. Herbert Armstrong was a nut case every bit as bad as the hollow earth core dude, but with more people impressed with his credibility. He sounded credible. His overweening positive manic approach evident in his enthusiasm for everything he did, including THE VERY WORK OF GOD, was persuasive. Today, it doesn’t look that credible, the empire has crashed and burned in disgrace and Herbert Armstrong is a mere footnote in a long list of delusional cultists.

Back in the 1950s, a then young man, was interested in the Sabbath. He went searching. He had done his homework and studied the Bible. He went in to a meeting of the Radio Church of God. At the end, someone asked him, “What did you think of Herbert Armstrong?”. His reply, “You should ask me what I think of Jesus Christ!”. Now this guy was tall and heavy and fit. It took two deacons to literally pick him up and drop him off outside the door. He later went on to become a minister of the Seventh Day Church of God. I know his 85 year old widow, Marion, who told me the story.

Anyone with any shred of objectivity should tell any nut case, “Prove it”. I would be inclined to continue, “And just who died and left you God?”.

That anyone would fall for the preposterous psychotic delusions is testimony of where the generations led us all to. In the movie, Generation Zero, there are four basic steps posited which brought the current world economic crisis:

  1. The crisis: World War II
  2. The High: The easy prosperity of the 1950s
  3. The Awakening: The 1960s Hippie Movement
  4. The Unravelling: Spoiled entitled people leading to Financial Meltdown

In all of this, objectivity, data, facts, even science are all ignored. People don’t want logic. They don’t want science. They want what feels right and what feels good. Mothers who lived in want pampered their children and gave them everything they wanted and needed, instantly. Disposable diapers are an example of something both immediate and personal. Spoiled children grew up to become selfish entitled adults, leveraged by the explosion of technologies spearheaded by the space race. People awakened to self-awareness to protest perceived injustices. They insisted upon and got the opportunity to express their opinions: To have their say and go their way. During the Clinton Administration, the Clintons capitalized upon this with their Health Care Plan Summit. There was no solution at that time. But the stakeholders came together in Washington D.C. to discuss the issues. Once they were satisfied that they were all given an opportunity to be heard, they all went home, confident that the issue was taken care of without any commitment, involvement or effort from them.

This past couple of years, the chickens came home to roost — or vultures and velocerapters, more like. Psychopaths became bold, arrogant and downright pushy and got their agendas passed, plying the suspicious point of view to pressure the public. After all, it was what the people wanted. And the sociopaths of the business world pressed the advantage to empty the coffers, affecting generations to come. Meltdown has struck and is with us, but most of the Boomers and New Millenniest breed seem to think that meltdown is a good thing, sort of like cheese topping.

Dr. Phil has said, “Emotions got you into this and emotions will get you out of it”. That’s a lie. It can’t possibly be true. No, emotions got us into the problem and determination, discipline, logic and a lot of resources with a great deal of effort is the only way to get out of it — if it is even possible. Unfortunately, the modern generations are just plain lazy. They want the instant fix without the character to build to viable solutions [think The BP Oil Spill]. Like some rebellious teens who declare their independence by rebelling against authority, when they are in trouble, they cry out, “Mom, Dad, save me”.

In the July-August 2010 The Sabbath Sentinel is this interesting entry:

“I’m Spiritual, but not religious!”

In a recent CNN article writer John Blake examines the trend among young people who believe that they don’t need organized religion to have a life of faith.

However, James Martin, a Catholic priest, believes that this trend is essentially egotism. “Religion is hard,” he says. “Sometimes it’s just too much work. People don’t feel like it. I have better things to do with my time. It’s plain old laziness.”

But offer people something fun and easy like websites, blogs and tweets, and they’re all over it. Use those cell phones to send [mostly] and receive text messages. Try to put them to real work, and they’re outta here.

Likewise, if it feels right and sounds right, most people today just stop there and don’t look behind the scenes. They accept what is and get drawn into the most preposterous belief systems. The con man is adept in structuring everything to sound right to selfish egos, for example: You will be Kings and Priests in the Kingdom of God, if you DO THE WORK! Throw in some proof texting and there you go. The earth is hollow and people live inside. We can prove it.

In the same The Sabbath Sentinel is an article by Brian Knowles called Out of the Box — Defeating the “Religious Spirit”. Here is part of what he said:

Throughout history, there have always been obsessively religious fanatics who have wreaked havoc on the civilized parts of society. Instead of advancing mankind, or emancipating it, they have plunged it into dark ages of superstition, torture, unjust imprisonment, the illegal confiscation of property and untimely death….

 Brian goes on to give four keys to avoiding the religious spirit:

  1. Is it idolatrous?
  2. Does it tend to freedom or bondage?
  3. What are the fruits?
  4. Beware of isolation

Prove all things. What a concept. Which takes work. Unfortunately, people don’t want the truth, they just want to feel good — with as little effort as possible. People don’t really want science. Don’t confuse them with the facts. And, by the way, if you think that what his religious spirit is restricted to religion, be apprised that he is also talking about such things as secular ones, such as [but not restricted to], ardent environmentalists [AKA eco-terrorists], save-the-whales [yes, I am a bit overweight, but they don’t help me!], animal rights, Islamic terrorists [say, isn’t that religion?], neo-Nazis, left-wing socialists, health food fanatics, fanatical communists and other nut case groups.

 Once the scoundrels get entrenched it is almost impossible to get rid of them or their silly ideas. Think British Israelism. They pave the way to becoming ensconced by wrecking the credibility of legitimate authorities, among them scientists. When you hear someones philosophies and they try to convince you that scientists are wrong, beware. Of course scientists can be wrong. For example, those weather stations which “prove” global warming are in asphalt parking lots and next to the exhaust of air conditioners. The criteria is the same: Lax and lazy scientists are not to be trusted, particularly if your life depends upon it.

Nevertheless, it is possible to debunk most of the urban legends. Which falls faster? A bee-bee or a cannon ball. The scientific method proved they fall at equal rates at 32 feet per second per second by pushing them off the Leaning Tower of Pisa at the same time and their landing at the same time. Which is lighter, oil or water? OK then, why does the oil float on the water, then? These embedded belief systems taken for centuries with no examination is partly the responsibility of the generation of religionists and scientists of their time. I had a discussion with the chief scientist over lunch in the Weyerhaeuser cafeteria. He related to me the history of science from the perspective of the acceptance of new scientific discovery. Every generation rejected the truth until the next generation accepted it. Newton’s Law finally gave way to Einstein’s theories, but not without a lot of disagreement. The establishments wants the status quo and hates change.

Unfortunately, change oft comes with the abandonment of truth. Perhaps it is that Herbert Armstrong took some of the best of the Church of God Seventh Day [or not], but along the way he seriously corrupted and mangled it to become indistinguishable from psychotic delusions. Unfortunately, for the same reasons as given above, far too many people were convinced of his follies.

I should point out that children, as innocent victims of this nonsense, followed the same path as everyone takes when they are bound involuntarily by lies: They rebelled. Unfortunately, sometimes, rebellion does a lot of unintended collateral damage.

My heartburn is not with the ones who spread the delusions so much as those who absorb them and lap them up. What sort of people are they? What do they want? Are they so warped that they grasp at every hope that comes by? Are they so desperate that they grasp at straws? Why do they never seek beyond the veneer to find the real truth? This is all very disturbing that so many people get hooked up with fantasies, delusions, myths actively without delving into facts. Perhaps it is true that some people have a convincing “patter”, but now with all the knowledge out there about EVERYTHING, it is surprising that people will actually spend money and risk themselves and their families on flim-flam.

We should be grateful that Herbert Armstrong came along. He was among the first and largest of the cultists [in more ways than one] to deceive people with his admixture of raw facts and delusional fantasies. At least, when we were finished with him, we have been well positioned to apply the suspicious point of view to the rest of the narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths which come our way — even though it seems small comfort for the ruined lives for which he is responsible: We’ve learned Caveat Emptor the hard way, but we’ve learned it first and more thoroughly than others. It’s a lot harder to deceive us now, particularly with delusions.

Nevertheless, so many people never learn a thing: They may turn against all that Herbert Armstrong taught, but they turn back to delusions. Former cultists have a way of going back into the system of delusions when they put their trust into government figures who tell tall tales or other unbelievable stories. They look for their heroes, their saviours.

I am reminded of one of the worst cultmeisters of the Churches of God. The man was evil and oppressive. He played games. He was even exposed publicly through government records. When people had a chance and finally left him, what did they do? They took all of his nutty ideas and doctrines and created their own church group. It was all the same except for the leader they had ousted. Same doctrines. Same rules of governance. All the same people [who, by the way, don’t seem to have ever read the Book of Hebrews, or figured out that the writing of Islam are equivalent to New Testament Epistles]. It’s difficult to understand the mindset of people who insist on retaining nutty toxic delusions at all costs. One would think that they would want freedom from such things.

But now today, if you stand between me and the door, and ask me what I think, you can be pretty well assured that I will answer, “It was interesting”.

Next time in the Disappointment series: Infestation!

18 Replies to “Disappointment, Part IV: Delusions”

  1. This definitely gets down to the basics, and should not only be taught in all schools, but should be the foundation of further studies in the rights of all people.

  2. Your posts are very well thought out and well written. Thank you for the effort obviously put forth. I would say your month is being well spent.

  3. What I rrally like about these articles is that they parallel the studies I’ve done into “original intent” of common law and constitutional laws.

    Everything you state, above, deals with not only the individuial rights of citizens or persons, but with the collective responsibilities of communities, not necessarily in religion, but in working together to take care of each other.

    Yale law professor Akhil Amar points out that Madison, in seeking to convince congress to pass a Bill of Rights, stated that the Bill would be a limitation on the “necessary and proper” clause of Article 1, Section 8, which could be expanded to allow congress to do whatever it said it could do.

    Madison gave a specific exmaple of such powers of congress. General government, said Madison had the right to pass all laws necessary to collect revenue. Might such rights also include general warrants to support this purpose?

    The committee responded with the 4th and 5th amendments, and “Calder vs Bull” said no law could be written that created a crime.

    Can congress pass a general law, which would act as a general warrant compelling you to give them personal papers in regard to taxes? Apparently not. “NO warrants shall issue…” This doesn’t give any specific qualifications as to taxes or crime. No wartrants shall issue, period, except for probable cause supported by oath or affirmation. The oath or affirmation actually waived all rights of the person who sought toe warrant. In exchange for their suspicion of you, the agent himself would be subject to full prosecution of law!

    In answer to the “necessary and proper” clause, the 1st amendment says “Congress shall make NO LAW…”

    When Jefferson referred to “separation of church and state” in his letter to the Danbury Baptist group, he specifically referred to language in the 1st amendment, which says NOTHING about states. That very letter was the basis of Justice Hugo Black’s decision regarding “incorporation” of the 1st amendment against the states. As we see from Jefferson’s own writing, Black was either mistaken or a liar.

    Regarding the Bill of Rights as a body of protections, Chief Justice John Marshall stated they were protections of the states against the federal government.

    If congress chose to ignore the “four freedoms” of the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment said the states could shoot them! The 2nd amendment was not about your personal right to own a fireatrm, since common law clearly protected that right before there was ever a constitution.

    The 2nd amendmnent said the states had the right to maintain a milita for their own protection of freedom, and Article 1, Section 8 said the federal government had to provide the arms to do so! In other words, whatever standing armies the feds claimed, they had to provide, under equal protection, the same arms to the states for the security of a free state.

    But that means if you declare the 2nd amendment as the only protection of your right to own a firearm, you can be asked by the state to march, drill, and study collectively the laws that protect your state.

    That is, the right of the people to keep and bear arms also dependend on the responsibility of the people to work, cooperate, and train together.

    1. The right of the people to keep and bear arms for a state militia was done away by the Civil War. One side fought for the rights of states to have their own militias and maintain the agreed upon confederacy of states. The other side fought for setting up a republic under one federal government that superceded state rights.

      Today, most folks think the Civil War was only about the freeing of slaves. I guess these folks don’t notice that we don’t have state militias anymore, nor do we any longer have the right to take up arms to protect ourselves from an oppressive federal government.

      Instead, people think that thousands upon thousands of men (who did not and could not own slaves) fought and died for the right of a handful of southern aristocrats to own slaves. But, that’s what our high school history books tell us – so much for “history”.

  4. Unfortunatly, the Supreme Court liberals are abridging our Constitutional rights like crazy. We actually can be harassed for signing a petiton and the liberal opposition can get our name, address and telephone number?

    It’s bad enough that people can be thrown into jail for not paying a bill as little as $250.

    Anyone who gets through bankruptcy WILL be sued afterward for fraud by the Bank of America.

    Are we certain that the Constitution isn’t being used as toilet paper in the Pentagon?

  5. I agree with you. The constitution is a joke. The “parchment barriers”, as Madison and Hamilton called it, is as useful as toilet paper. Actually toilet paper is more useful since we use it generally for the purpose which it was created.

    That’s why the second amendment has a far more revolutionary meaning than the NRA applies. If the federal government ignores rights guaranteed in the Constitution, the states have every right to maintain a militia to ensure that the federal government listens. The 2nd amendment has never been “incorporated’ under federal control, yet Article 1, Section 8 says it should be, since the federal government is required to provide for arms, discipline, and training, together with officers selected from each state, and that obligation cannot be infringed according to the 2nd amendment.

    Ask a lawyer or judge about it, and they claim “ex cathedra” privilege, which comes from catholic doctrine, yet common law says clearly that neither catholic civil nor canon law has authority over common law.

    As I wrote earlier, Jesus himself nipped that in the bud in Luke 11:52. Lawyers are permitted no “ex cathedra” privileges to keep people ignorant of the law, as the common law is the birthright of every American, as stated by Justice Story. You don’t need a license to practice common law, just civil law.

    That’s why, if you are the accused, you are asked to testify under oath, which Blackstone writes is an oath of fealty or allegiance to your civil government. IOW, you give them permission to find you guilty by law, because common law plainly says you must be presumed innocent by law until proven guilty. No legislation can presume your guilt, since the constitution ensures that you are presumed innocent(Calder vs Bull).

    Hami;lton writes in “The Federalist” that where statutes contradict the constitution, the constitution is the authority. That’s the “privileges and immunities” clause of the 14th amendment, which was stripped of any meaning by the “Slaughterhous Cases”.

    Hiowever, if such laws are unrecognized by the state, Jesus himself gave authority to settle all disputes under civil law out of court(Matt 5:25, 18:15-18) and placed it under “equity” law, since no christian is permitted to seek vengeance, and Paul teaches clearly that “higher authority” is only established to execute vengeance.

    Civil law, equity law, all law involving trespass, can be solved by the community, in any church, outside of state authority. Jesus said if your adversary didn;t like it, treat him as a “Gentile or tax collector”, which doesn;t indicate that Jesus approved of state controlled, tax controlled, court proceedings.

  6. One nit here: It isn’t the Constitution that’s the joke — it’s the clowns who are supposed to uphold it.

    Anyway, Gerald Flurry said it best: “No one has any rights”. He said that back in the 1980s. I guess he knew a lot more than we did back then.

  7. Wrong Ralph, the Constitution is a damned near perfect document made by men with a true grasp of history.

    Seeing how we are speaking of the United States Constitution, here is an idea from Lew Rockwell that I believe is a feasible solution to our current dilemma.

    Back To the Articles.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/holland/holland22.1.html

    One thing I would add is that the American people should never forget or forgive the scum that took this country to ruin. We should for all intensive purposes, hang the scoundrels.

    “By trying to make the Constitution do everything that needs doing from age to age, we shall have caused it to do nothing at all.” (Scalia & Gutmann, 1998)

    http://fora.tv/2009/02/23/Uncommon_Knowledge_Antonin_Scalia

  8. I’d like your help.

    There are two more articles left. I will be completely done by the last day of July. There is an article to bridge the gap between this one and the last one. It is a supplement planned to fill in some details that don’t fit anywhere else.

    I like to give folks time to reflect and consider. I wouldn’t want any good stuff — if any — to get lost in a flurry of postings.

    Do you think that tomorrow is too early to post the next article (Enemies)? Or should I wait for a weekday?

  9. james, certainly the constitution was the first document that attempted to provide an agreement between the people and its government, based on statements and intent of the people themselves. The earlier contraxct was between Israel and God allegedly.

    Madison pointed out that the only new power given to congress by the constitution was regulation of commerce.(Federalist 45).

    The main difference regarding taxes, in comparison to the Articles and the constitution, was that the congress had no power to lay and collect taxes. That was expressly and exclusively reserved to the states.

    So, there were actually two important powers reserved to congress: laying and collecting taxes, and regulation of commerce asmong the states.

    These in rfact have been the source of the greatest perversions of the constitution. In “Federalist 45”, however, Madison pointed out that the congress would have no more power to lay and collect taxes from citizens than the articles had to lay and collect taxes from the states, which was no power at all.

    Power to collect taxes from citizens, therefore, was ONLY under the power of the states, and even that had restrictions subject to common law restraints.

    Also, as madison himself pointed out, there was no power of the federal government to produce warrants compelling citizens to disclose information regarding taxes. This was due to the simple fact that, as Madison wrote in The federalist, there simply was no power of the federal government to collect taxes directly from citizens of each state.

    It was also Madison who pointed out that there could be no Civil War once a constitution was created, simply because, as both hamilton and Madison argued, there simply could not be enough soldiers raised for a standing army to offset the militias created, trained, and armed by the government in each state.

    Wrong. Lincoln not only raised a standing army by a draft, but shot hundreds who refused to be drafted on constitutional grounds.

    As the anti-federalists pointed out, a constitution that created a Supreme Court that only had to answer to itself would ultuimately result in despotism by a court system that answered to no one at all.

    Perfect? Not even close. Near perfect? No. The 2nd amendment was the only true safeguard of th states, and Lincoln simply ignored that, opting for a national draft system that produced huge armies that walked into a near butchering by Southern forces. Yet Lincoln kept them coming.

    In the final analysis, what did Lincoln claim as the authority for that war? Not the Constitution. His greatest speech, said the nation was formed not by the Constitution, but by the declaration of Independence, a document that was actually based on common law, and claimed only the right of the common law of England as its true authority.

    George Mason refused to sign it because it said nothing about slavery, which he saw as a problem that would ultimately tear the nation apart. It had no Bill of Rights(which were added later), and it had no protection of the average man by common law.

    It directly violated common law with the fugitive slave clause in rticle 4, Section 2, and it made slavery a standard of law while ignoring to even mention slavery in the constitution.

    It was the three fifths clause that elected jefferson to the presidency, and the press reported that Jefferson rode to the “temple of freedom” on the backs of slaves. Had there been no three fifths clause and an electoral college, Adams would have served two terms.

    Not even nearly perfect. You might suppose it had good intentions, but so did Pope Innocent when he made people swear to their statements, so he could punish them by secular law. Hitler had good intentions when he punished Jews for world economic woes, after reading a book pulished by Henry Ford, and ghost written for him, regarding the “Jewish problem”.

    When men propose to rule over other men, it ends in despotism.

  10. The last two articles may not be perceived as being as good as the previous five, but there is a mixture of new and old in them which might be of some small benefit to a few — to look at an old subject in a new light.

    I can guarantee, though, the Armstrongist community will not like them one bit.

    I wonder if I might qualify for the Witness Protection Program?

    But then, I’ve had death threats from them before. One wonders at “good” Christian leaders making death threats on the Internet in public forum to send men from Australia to kill me. I’m sorry that there doesn’t seem to be enough money left over these days after the last war for them to carry out their threats. I’m not certain whether or not Homeland Security is much of a hindrance to them after I reported them to the FBI — being, as it were, TECHNICALLY, a de facto member of Homeland Security myself.

  11. Homeland Security is a joke. Our southern border is a sieve and the feds don’t give a damn. They’re even suing my state for trying to do something about it. Our kids can’t even learn how to run businesses any more because all the jobs teens used to get are taken by illegals who live several families to a house or apartment and underbid them.

  12. Al,

    To me it has reached the point of loyalty to my fellow suffering Americans. Screw the illegals. I am all for the Arizona law that is the same as the Federal law. The only thing lacking on the Federal level is giving a damn about the American people over the votes by the Mexican population.

    Democrats, Marxists, RINO’s are all traitors to America. Lynch them all.

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