Christian Values and Society

The following article is by author Reed Camacho Kinney.

Christian Values and Society

We know Christian values well enough, because they reflect the truths of
our corporal condition in nature.

Christianity is symbiosis in relation to both human interaction and human
interaction with nature, or life in general.

The gladiatorial coliseum of ancient Rome is a microcosmic representation
of the societal conditions imposed on people through the centralization of
power. A modern version of that is the back stabbing television game
called Survivor. In neither case, can Christian values flourish in either of
those arenas.

In capitalistic society, people are trapped by forcing their dependence on
the impersonal conglomerates of centralized mass production and
distribution systems. The executive branch of the American government
is either the “lap dog” of the monopolized, impersonal mega-consortiums
of capital interests, or it is their unwilling “valet.” The American Federal
Government levies tax, in part, to keep abreast of interest laden loan

I need not predict what the imminent outcomes of this “house of cards”
will be, which are self-evident. The toll in human suffering is building.
Christianity is about people and their well being. The Christian challenge is
to build a Christian society.

The way to those ends is through a participatory, structured, dialogical based,
consensus-based civil society.


Participatory, DECENTRALIZED appropriate-industry, agricultural
production, consensus-based civic organization, education, health care,
and community fiscal organization are the components of Christian society!
Christianity is contingent on the actualization of maximum community
with maximum individuation; survival with growth. The vehicle of growth
is art in genuine community, and art is the source of science and the
scientific method.

Genuine, participatory community is structured so that each member
receives community support for all of her productive endeavourers;
particularly, each and every child who expands her knowledge and skills
with community support. There are no grade levels, nor demotions in
community education, and no tests, per se. An ongoing record of
attainment, a résumé of sorts, is kept by each learner, and an abbreviated,
updated copy is maintained in the education department. The education
department, education through art, is participatory, and is managed by
adult, teacher learners and by learner teachers. And, when children reach
the stage of ego stability somewhere between the ages of twelve through
fifteen, perhaps younger in some cases, at their discretion, they can
participate in the community’s civil culture, and in its civic-economic
organizations (more on that below).

Genuine community has core Public Productive Enterprises, which provide
members with gainful occupations and, at once, provide members with
their minimum guaranteed standard of service. It is a generative circle.
HUMAN DIGNITY is structured into its civil culture. And, each community
Public Productive Enterprise contains an office of the community
educational department, which is itself included among the public
productive enterprises, as is the community health department,
community agricultural and related industries department, community
intermediate industrial department, the water and sanitation department,
the community construction company, the community renewable energy
department, the community department of public safety, the community
personnel office, the community mutual community bank, the community
coordinating committee, the community mutualistic family groups –
mutual voting blocks – which are the smallest voting units, and so on. The
community’s civil culture and its civic-economic organization “dovetail”
with and are fully integrated with, are interdependent with, the
community’s educational department. (1)

In decentralized economic social organization the cultural metaphor has
shifted from, “Society is composed of winners and losers,” the cultural
metaphor of mass centralized society, to that of decentralized society’s
cultural metaphor, “No one is less important than the group.”
And, that “No one is less important than the group.” is Christian!

It is a structural proposition!


1. The concepts of education in community developed in my mind from
when I attended the talks we had with John Holt, Paul Goodman, and Ivan
Illich …when I attended Ivan Illiche’s CIDOC, International Center of
Documentation, in Cuernavaca, Mexico in the summer of 1969.

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The Effect of Socioeconomics on Religion

The following article is by author Reed Camacho Kinney.




Hello everyone!

I am very happy that I was invited by James and Ralph to open dialogue with all of you.

This first article is about the effect of socioeconomics on religion. But, in part, it is my best response to the thought provoking letter that our dear friend George sent me. I have included his letter to open this conversation.

George’s writing in response to an earlier letter of mine:

OK for individuals within a context, a shared source, but I’m talking about the “public” domain. I just can’t see Jesus as “better” than all the other “thinkers” following down through so many centuries and cultures; of course he would be included, but only as one among many; again I think of how you melded so many sources in DESO that were publicly significant–in other words, Jesus who, to remind us all, was not a single figure, but a composite brought together by various individuals–Paul as one of the most important who relied on hearsay and questionable “texts” to create what became known as “Christianity” on a global platform; yes he, the ambitious one, saw Christianity as a global philosophy/religion uniting (?), drawing from the “common” humanity, sort of ignoring separate cultures that “separated” us and calling for (shouting, one might say) the unity of us all.

A great visionary, yes! As later we see in works like Buber’s I and Thou. But the point is in the Tower of Babel, humans are not now ready for such “unity” which in our time degenerates into a conflicting mosaic of “controllers” over the people, rather than the other way around. So, for now, on the scale of evolution, we mislead ourselves with created grand masters like “Jesus.” DESO tells us the people should be in constant dialogue, like waves and rivers in the great oceans, constantly moving, always unpredictable while appearing totally predictable–think of the weather forecasters; when will a mild swirl on the surface of the Atlantic become nothing more? …Or, a massively destructive hurricane? …Finally, not a single Jesus, but all the Jesuses in dialogue. (I’d better stop, and try to understand what I’m trying to get–at more clearly?!)
Best, George.”

My responses to George:

Dear George,

Your writing is magnificent. What you say is very clear and pertinent.


Real societal unity includes phylogyny – the admiration of women. Misogyny is a symptom of centralized systems of control, either religious, or economic-civic. The vortex of human behaviors, and their world views, is in their socioeconomic organizations.


Each socioeconomic organization is managed by its particular political systems. The way people do “business” in tandem with their civic organization is that which determines their psychologies and their religions. The capitalist, industrialist families in Germany supported Hitler’s fascism in order to defeat communism. And prior to that, Italy’s Mussolini was initially supported by the same types for the same reason. (Communism was usurped by centralist systems of control.)


There are two main forms of organization, each grounded on its respective types of economic production and distribution, decentralized power and centralized power. To the degree that a society has decentralized power with local production for local use, real community, to that degree they are sane. And, to some degree, decentralization has occurred in conventional democracies that include local self-government with local production for local use.


The impersonal, corporate monopolies of mass production and distribution undermine local production for local use. Increased dependence on imported products, and services, is among the symptoms of centralized power – centralist systems of control. I’ll return to that subject in a moment.


What Max Freedom Long maintains is that Paul was not among the “initiates” of Jesus. George, you mention that “Paul …relied on hearsay and questionable “texts” to create what became known as “Christianity”…”And, personally, I know zero about that. But, I do know that Max Freedom Long said that Paul did not receive the “inner” teachings of Jesus. And according to Long, those inner teachings are about prayer techniques, and the conditions required for proper prayer techniques to be effective. Atheists may view that as poppycock, but Max Freedom Long’s approach to that subject is biological and physiological. He postulates that “soul” is biological, and that soul performs essential functions in the life of each person, and that, each person has three souls, the conscious mind, the body soul, and the High Soul, each having distinct compositions and capacities, and each serving distinct functions.


That is all well and good, and if you want to look into that, then a place to start is at: Max Freedom Long, The Original Teachings by the Founder of Huna.


Regardless, I don’t mention Long’s work in my book. Because, what I am conveying here is what my dad impressed upon my impressionable mind, that, as I mentioned above, the religions people adopt, or distort, are determined by the way they do business; more on that in a moment. And, that the way they do business determines the way their society is organized.


The United States has lost, what at one time was, its civil culture. Today, we are wholly dependent on, and live in, conglomerates of mass systems of control in mass centralist society, MCS, which is a bad situation for us in too many ways for me to elaborate here, so I refer you to my manuscript. Nonetheless, that we don’t have community has been killing us. The word, community, is bantered about, but its meaning is lost in mass centralist society, MCS. Real community, real civil culture is what we need to be sane and happy. But, few can even imagine what that means.


George mentions our need for unity. Few people understand that conformity to hierarchical, command systems does not unity create, but just the opposite. Rather than mutual interdependence, which is a structural challenge, and it would generate the independence people need …hierarchical, command systems make dependents of their members, not dependent on each other, but dependent on the systems of control that alienate them from themselves and from each other; fully explained in the manuscript.


Even so, I think that the time for our unity is at hand. We can not continue depending on the mechanized expansion of profit-based institutions in mass centralist society. Metaphorically speaking, that type of relationship with nature is parasitic.


People with money to spend enjoy shopping, and in our society that is among the ‘enrichment’s’ of life. It is the anemic substitute for meaningful interpersonal relations among people in community, community that does not yet exist. But, that consumer-based psychology pandered by the institutions of our society is exactly the primary contributor to the extinction of our environmental life support systems, which is among the various critical crises we face today. We humans are completely, irrevocably, dependent on nature for our existence, for us not to develop a culture that can go forward into a permanent, symbiotic relationship with nature is madness.


Maria and I, own a conventional motor vehicle, use refrigeration, and don’t question where our electricity comes from. And, dad said that we are all accomplices, simply by our use of, and our dependence on, conventional money. …I used to teach High School in the U. S. …I know that within the prevailing context, there isn’t much that we as individuals can do about it. …In spite of the obvious impositions of capitalistic socioeconomics on our lives, I regard myself as among non-conformists.


The statements from so many Christian sects make no distinctions between the stratified society they have fashioned and conform to, and the concepts from the alleged statements of Jesus. They believe that the malaise of society is rooted in each member, and by changing individuals into productive and generous people that all the ills of society will be left in the past. Such are the babblings of mad men who can not see that the structures of MCS cause the pathologies of its dependents. And there are even madder, secular men who believe that if all people were to prioritize the pursuit of materialism in an unregulated, profit-based economy that somehow everybody would fulfill their “dreams” of opulence.


I must qualify these observations with my firm recognition of the humanness of many people, and their capacity to live according to humane values, despite the despotisms inherent in mass centralized society.


And here is where I will briefly explain how, I think, the teachings of Jesus, and as George mentions, in unison with many sound thinkers, lead us to a solution. …If human beings organize, bring into life, a socioeconomic organization that is designed to meet the real needs of its members, then, their personal values, will reflect the values of that mutualistic, socioeconomic organization. First, what are the real needs of people?


(The real needs of people are not addressed in MCS, because their fulfillment would subvert centralized power.)


Children, not unlike the members of any species, are born to grow. And, for that to happen, throughout their lives, requires a culture that supports the growth needs of each of its members. And, that type of culture would be mutualistic, with a civic-economic, production-based economy that generates a guaranteed minimum standard of service, GMSS, for all of its members, which is more than I can elaborate here, so I refer you to my book.


In the society I’m referring to, Education is through art and it is participatory. The unique talents and the predilections of each child are developed with community support. The individuation of each child is cultivated by the community. Individuated members are needed, are indispensable, for participatory community to function. These are structural propositions that are met in Decentralized Economic Social Organization, DESO… The community’s educational service and the community’s public economy are interpenetrated and are interdependent, a structural proposition, which is a generative circle.


Each sovereign, permanent community is networked with like communities. Inter-community trade functions to secure the GMSS of each community, which includes subsistence needs, health care, education, and free financing. I will not continue this explanation, since I have more to provide at the links I include here, which I would like for you to open. However, what is essentially not only Christian, but includes the spiritual base of all good religions, is that all socioeconomic organizations are the primary determiners of the behaviors of, and the values that their members choose to live by. Knowing that, we can design the socioeconomic organization that best meets the real needs of its members. And, the way to actuate those plans will be through real dialogue, and the concerted action that genuine dialogue produces. We can make a better culture our reality!


What is needed is a society wherein power sharing is structured into civic-economic organization, all community components are participatory, structured, dialogical, consensus-based community decision making processes, are mutualistic; and that, public productive enterprises serve the greater good. And, yes, all members are productive and generous, but each person in that community has direct control over her productive life and each member is viewed as a values maker, and each member’s values are tested in community. She can see immediately how the manner of life she develops impacts her community, and all of her productive contributions are applauded. She is not alienated. That is sanity. That is love. That is home.

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