8 Replies to “Organized Religion and People in Psychopathic Civilization”

  1. James,

    The goal is stated by Rachel Herzing (http://www.publiceye.org/defendingjustice/overview/herzing_pic.html):

    “Most of us want the same thing: safe, stable communities. The issue is how do we get there? What steps should we take to ensure we meet that goal?”

    That is the first problem, because in mass centralized society community is destroyed.

    And unless there is community there can be no “peers” in a trail by jury.

    But, in real community there is no Judge, rather, real peers mediate between plaintiffs and defendants. See the chapter pertaining to “Law” in the manuscript. In DESO there is no need for Civil Law, and Common Law is unwritten. There is, however, an on going record of the “mediation contracts” on file in the community office of mediation.

    The solution is touched on:

    “Prison Industrial Complex abolition is a political vision with the goal of eliminating policing, prisons, and surveillance and creating lasting alternatives to punishment and prison.”

    The solution is stated more fully:

    “It’s about undoing the society we live in because the prison industrial complex both feeds on and maintains oppression and inequalities through punishment, violence and the control of millions of people. Because the prison industrial complex is not an isolated system, abolition is a broad strategy. An abolitionist vision means we must build models today that can represent how we want to live in the future.”

    Rachel Herzing points the way:

    “It means developing practical strategies for taking small steps that move us toward making our dreams real and lead us all to believe that things can be really different. Abolition is both a practical organizing tool and a long-term goal.”

    James, if you have been reading the manuscript I sent you, you will see there that DESO is fulfilling what is being asked for by Rachel Herzing.

    DESO is real community! DESO is everything that we need, “…making our dreams real and lead us all to believe that things can be really different.”

    DESO is another type of culture. It is not based on power over others as is mass centralized society. DESO is genuinely mutualistic and any major conflict or disagreement not resolved at the level of mutual voting blocks, which are the smallest voting units, are resolved at the community office of mediation.

    Please, study the manuscript. We don’t develop another culture unless we first understand the need for it, which many do, and unless we understand that doing so in real life means organization, organization of a different sort than what we are currently accustomed to. Otherwise, no better option will be developed soon enough to circumvent further, grievous damage to humanity.

    Thank you for the lead to Rachel Herzing. I must send locate her to send her word of DESO. James if you know anybody that will “lend an ear,” then, by all means, do me the favor of telling them that you think DESO is Okay, and send them my links

  2. One of the deepest and most profound explorations of community I have read is Philip Slater’s book, “EarthWalk”. It didn’t meet with huge success, because it slapped corporate organization in the face. Published in 1974, it’s out of print now, but well worth looking up. Slater has also recently published “The Chrysalis Effect”, which I haven’t read. He does have a section printed on his blog called “The trap of Purity”, which is good. http://philipslater.wordpress.com

    Reed writes:
    “That is the first problem, because in mass centralized society community is destroyed.

    And unless there is community there can be no “peers” in a trail by jury.”

    Yes. HWA gave us an emphasis on “law of God”, but he ignored that jesus himself taught that we, the average person, can settle trespasses ourselves between adversaries(Matthew 5:25, Matthew 18:15-18) What is implied by this, and what HWA and all “Judaized’ forms of christianity ignore, is that each of us, as individuals, can learn and “practice law” in terms of settling our own disputes.IOW, the law was meant for ALL of us to know and use for our own protection against others. The “Golden Rule” and “love your neighbor as yourself”, mean that we can know the law, and use the law, but not in vengeance. This is also implied in the “Lord’s Prayer”. “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass agaist us”.

    At the conclusion of that prayer, Jesus reminded his followers that if we do not forgive others, we are not forgiven. What no branch of christianity does is to empower us, as individuals, to practice that “legal equality” with others. Today, Mass Centralized Society, or as Reed calls it, MCS, establishes authorities by majority rule(mob rule) to punish us for “trespassing” when there is not even an accuser to accuse us of trespassing!

    In common law, this was referred to as “information”, denounced by Blackstone because it was often used by the King and his cohorts for nothing more than creating “crimes” for the purpose of extorting money.(Think seatbelt fines, parking tickets, etc)

    The function of so-called christian governments today is to remove the very empowerment that Jesus taught, in favor of “God;s laws” or laws of the state, which presume authority byt an elite, specially trained. Thios is precisely what Jesus condemned among the Pharisees of his day(Matthew 23). As Reed has stated, there can be no “jury”(as advocated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 6) if there is no true community to be a jury. The people are reduced to being mere robotic players in a pre-designed “play” with the judge as the only power. This was set up as a model of “Judgement Day” with the black robed judges acting as a type of God to convict us. Even HWA knew bett er than that, but he neglected to teach it, instead acting before governments as OUR representative, taking and presenting gifts(remember the Steuben crystal gifts, bought with our tithes and sacrifical offerings?)

    Reed writes:
    “But, in real community there is no Judge, rather, real peers mediate between plaintiffs and defendants. See the chapter pertaining to “Law” in the manuscript. In DESO there is no need for Civil Law, and Common Law is unwritten. There is, however, an on going record of the “mediation contracts” on file in the community office of mediation.”

    Exactly. This was also glorified by Jefferson as the foundation of Anglo-Saxon law, but it was William the Conqueror, in 1066, who brought a contingent of Jews with him to establish laws of trade and comerce , and also judicary law to maintain commerce. Even then, Jews were recognized experts, having developed the records in the form called Mishna, later adding the Talmud, which was “re-coded” to fit changing circumstances.

    The “Judaizing” which HWA brought to religion ignored the fact that each of us, as individuals, were to be taught and empowered to act as self representatives, with each of us possessing “rights and immunities”, as captured by Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence. The concept of “trial by jury” was recognized by Blackstone as divinely inspired, the foundation of common law. It was also incorporated into our constitution for that same reason. The people of each “vicinage” ruld by law, and the jury could “nullify” in those cases where the law did not apply. They still can, in spite of what judges may try to tell us.

  3. Psychopaths wil still exist, but not in as great numbers once actual community organization begins to function. One of the main reasons is that comunity is not so “linear” in its focus, and there is less opportunity for detachment that allows for growth of such behavior.

    Social organisms adapt and evolve much the same as individual orga nisms. If certain beha viors are necessary, those behaviors will becoe predominant in society. The more we must ignore our emotional needs to just get by, the greater the emphasis on those who simply are not endowed with such emotions. Selection causes them to rise to the top in many areas.

  4. Ralph said: “Selection causes them to rise to the top in many areas.”

    I disagree. It is not by selection but by brute force. They climb the ladder of success on the backs of others.

    Some of these sick bastards might be efficient in their work, but in the end people ALWAYS suffer when “they” WANT something from you and you don’t meet their expectations. No, the best course is a desert Island if society doesn’t have the stomach to execute them. They have little to no value as to humanity.

  5. In regard to this exchange between Ralph and James, that happened July 17:
    James, real community is a structure, but not a lineal, alienating structure designed to allow a few members most of the of opulence and power. Rather, DESO structure is circular, meaning that the members themselves, and meeting their needs for individuated growth, are its primary objectives. Its purpose.
    In a report written by anthropologists among the Eskimo people of 1914 – 1918, the case of the psychopath was documented. The man in question, I don’t know his age, had stayed behind most hunts to cavort about with the women, and to indulge himself in whatever they had, more than his share. On one hunt, he participated, and paddled his kayak with the group. He caught a bullet in his back, and no one mentioned him again.
    The point is that in community, the psychopath has no linear structures to climb, or to hide behind. The way his actions impact the community will determine the way they respond to him. In DESO community, I will guess that psychopaths, a birth defect, would be dealt with as humanely as members can afford. It is known that psychopaths dislike pain, and will not repeat behaviors that they remember caused them pain, punishment. But, I can’t venture to guess how people in real community would respond to psychopathy.
    Reed

  6. James writes:
    “I disagree. It is not by selection but by brute force. They climb the ladder of success on the backs of others.

    Some of these sick bastards might be efficient in their work, but in the end people ALWAYS suffer when “they” WANT something from you and you don’t meet their expectations. No, the best course is a desert Island if society doesn’t have the stomach to execute them. They have little to no value as to humanity.”

    What you must consider is that this society is, as Reed says, linear. In such hierarchical systems, brute force is acceptable, provided it is done with a degree of “sociability”. The psychopath can be charmin g and forceful and charismatic, which suits him perfectly in such a society. When I joined the marines, I was a very gentle person who believed in giving others the benefit of the doubt, being kind and respectful, etc, and found it useless for survival. So, I discovered the ability to be a bigger bastard than they were, and teach them that I could be the meanest sob of a bitch they would meet. They knew I would shoot the bastards quicker than they would shoot me, and they left me alone. The marines are a concentrated forem of this psychopathology, and I found I actually enjoyed the brawl. Crziness of that sort actually makes me feel al most giddy. Mybe I’m one of them, but I do it onnly as a measure of defense. As Reed said, such people usually end up with a bullet in the back in more community based systems. Quite a few such leaders got that end in Vietnam.

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